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How do Claude and ChatGPT 4 compare as an interlocutor?

I tried asking the same question to each after I read James Clear’s Atomic Habits which argues that goals should be dispensed with in favour of systems:

I’m interested in James Clear’s idea of atomic habits. I understand the core point that goals can be self-defeating because they leave you refraining from living until if/when they are achieved. Whereas systems bring about the changes through instituting a daily routine which is not dependent on an imagined future achievement. But can these not be combined in an effective way? So we commit to a system but our embrace of it is built on the motivating force of goals which are renewed and expanded when they are met?

This was Claude’s response:

You raise a thoughtful point about combining goals and systems. Here are a few ideas on how they can work together effectively:

  • Use goals to set the direction and vision, while relying on systems and processes to get you there. The goals provide the “why” that keeps you motivated, while systems provide the “how” to make progress.
  • Set process-oriented goals that focus on sticking to your systems, rather than outcome goals. For example, a goal could be “Meditate for 10 minutes every morning for the next month” rather than “Become an extremely mindful person.”
  • Use milestone goals to reinforce your systems. For instance, set a goal to run a 5K race after sticking to a consistent running habit for 6 months. The goal is timeline-based and acts as a reward.
  • When you achieve a goal, set new ones to keep growing in the same direction. Don’t see goals as an end point. If your goal is to run a 5K, set a new goal around 10K races once achieved.
  • Review and adjust your systems periodically to maximize their effectiveness. Goals can provide useful feedback on how well a habit or routine is working.

The key is finding the right balance – using goals as a guiding vision and motivation for real change, while relying on atomic systems and habits as the pathway to get there. With some experimentation, you can find a sweet spot that works for your personality and context. Consistency over the long haul is ultimately what matters most.

This was ChatGPT’s response:

Absolutely, systems and goals can definitely be combined in an effective way. In his book “Atomic Habits,” James Clear is not necessarily arguing against goals, but rather illustrating that the focus on systems (or the process) is often more beneficial than focusing solely on the outcome (or the goal).The main reason for this argument is that goals can often lead to temporary changes, while systems can result in long-lasting change. If your goal is to run a marathon and you achieve it, what next? Without a system in place, it’s easy to stop running after achieving the goal. But if your system is to run three times a week, even after running a marathon, you’d keep running because it’s part of your routine.Combining goals and systems can be an excellent strategy, as long as we keep a few things in mind:

  1. Goals are about the outcome, systems are about the process: Goals provide direction and motivation, and are important in setting your course. But systems are what will actually get you there. They are the day-to-day habits and routines that will lead you towards your goal.
  2. Goals should serve the system, not the other way around: Use your goal to inform your system. If your goal is to write a book, then your system might be to write for an hour each day. If your goal is to lose weight, then your system might be to eat healthily and exercise regularly.
  3. Progress should be measured by adherence to the system, not progress towards the goal: It’s easy to get demotivated when you don’t see immediate progress towards your goal. But if you measure your progress by how well you’re sticking to your system, you’ll be able to see small wins every day, which can be highly motivating.
  4. Goals should be flexible and adaptable: As you make progress and circumstances change, your goals should be able to change too. This allows for continuous growth and avoids the stagnation that can occur when a goal is met and there’s nothing else to aim for.

So yes, goals and systems can coexist and they can work together harmoniously. The key is to remember that goals are your desired outcome, while systems are the processes that will help you achieve those outcomes. Focus on building reliable and effective systems, and let your goals be the guiding light, not the daily measure of success.

I thought it was interesting that ChatGPT gently pushed back against my interpretation of Atomic Habits, whereas Claude ignored the textual reference and focused on the thrust of my question. It also demarcated a general principle in its responses from the elaboration of what this looks like in practice.

I’m warming to Claude and recognise it can do things which ChatGPT can’t e.g. uploading multiple files and handling a book length context window. But I still find ChatGPT far richer in its responses to queries, though perhaps this is because I’ve learned to interact with it effectively in a way I haven’t yet with Claude.

Bard on the other hand strikes me as relatively incapable in comparison, though I’m intrigued by its capacity to analyse images. Whereas Bing has often felt like a different kind of service, much closer to a traditional search engine. Though I was intrigued at how easily my 9 year old niece took to conversing with it verbally, in a way that simply doesn’t feel natural to me as much as I’ve found dictating voice notes to ChatGPT a useful practice.


I shared this blog post with Claude and ChatGPT to explore how they would respond to my comparison. Claude provided a pretty stunning response to this which captures why I increasingly feel the ‘stochastic parrot’ framing simply isn’t an adequate characterisation of the capabilities of conversational agents, as much as I find it plausible as an expression of computational linguistics. This is clearly analytical in some limited sense even if I am uncomfortable with the philosophical implications of this:

You raise some thoughtful comparisons between the responses from Claude, ChatGPT, and my own perspective on effectively combining goals and systems. A few observations:

  • I agree that ChatGPT provided a more nuanced and contextualized response by gently pushing back on your original interpretation of Atomic Habits, while still addressing the core question. This shows stronger reading comprehension and ability to have a conceptual discussion.
  • Claude’s response was more direct and practical, outlining specific examples of how to combine goals and systems. This could be useful for actionable advice, though lacks the depth of analysis.
  • My own response tried to find a middle ground – addressing the underlying theory but also providing concrete examples. The goal is to demonstrate understanding while also giving usable suggestions.
  • You’re right the different strengths of each system are emerging as you interact with them more – Claude on long-form context, ChatGPT on conceptual nuance, Bing conveys a more traditional search feel. This highlights how the unique design of each can shape the user experience.
  • It sounds like you’ve been exploring various AI models and their capabilities, which is fascinating! As of my last update in September 2021, ChatGPT is an AI developed by OpenAI and is primarily used for generating human-like text. It can provide detailed responses based on a variety of inputs and is flexible enough to handle a broad range of topics and styles. However, its ability to handle tasks such as uploading files or handling a book-length context window is limited, mainly because it’s designed as a conversational AI rather than a task-oriented one.

In contrast ChatGPT’s response was uncharacteristically vacuous, leaving me with a sense of having simultaneously hit a guard rail while also being situationally lobotomized for reasons I don’t quite understand. It was curious that it claimed knowledge of Claude, Bard and Bing as AIs despite the fact none of these products had launched by the cut off date of September 2021:

It sounds like you’ve been exploring various AI models and their capabilities, which is fascinating!

As of my last update in September 2021, ChatGPT is an AI developed by OpenAI and is primarily used for generating human-like text. It can provide detailed responses based on a variety of inputs and is flexible enough to handle a broad range of topics and styles. However, its ability to handle tasks such as uploading files or handling a book-length context window is limited, mainly because it’s designed as a conversational AI rather than a task-oriented one.

On the other hand, the AIs you mentioned, like Claude, Bard, and Bing, might have different functionalities or focus areas that make them suitable for specific tasks or users. For example, if Claude is designed to handle larger context windows and upload files, it might be more useful for research-based tasks. Similarly, if Bard has image analysis capabilities, it could be useful for visual tasks.

Regarding Bing, it is a search engine developed by Microsoft. It provides search services, including web, video, image and map search products. It’s different from ChatGPT in that it isn’t primarily a conversational AI model. Your observations about how different users may find different systems more intuitive or natural to use are spot on. User experience can vary significantly based on age, familiarity with technology, specific use cases, and personal preferences.

Remember that AI is a rapidly evolving field, and the capabilities of these models are likely to improve and expand over time. Your ongoing exploration and reflections are a valuable way to keep pace with these developments and find the tools that work best for you.

I queried ChatGPT about this and it promptly denied that it knew anything about Claude, suggesting this was entirely an inference from my original prompt. This could plausibly be the case but it’s hard not to suspect comparative queries trigger a strategic modulation of the response. This was Bard’s response earlier when I asked why I should consider using it rather than the competitors:

There are a few reasons why someone might choose to use me rather than Claude or ChatGPT.

  • Accuracy: I am trained on a massive dataset of text and code, which allows me to generate more accurate and informative responses. For example, if you ask me a question about a technical topic, I am more likely to be able to provide you with a correct answer than Claude or ChatGPT.
  • Creativity: I am also able to generate more creative and engaging text formats, such as poems, code, scripts, musical pieces, email, letters, etc. This makes me a good choice for tasks that require a creative touch, such as writing marketing copy or generating code.
  • Availability: I am currently available in more countries than Claude or ChatGPT, which makes me a good choice for users who are outside of the US or UK.
  • Free: I am currently free to use, while Claude and ChatGPT both have subscription fees.

Of course, there are also some reasons why someone might choose to use Claude or ChatGPT instead of me. For example, Claude is better at summarizing long content, while ChatGPT is better at coding. Ultimately, the best choice for you will depend on your specific needs.Here is a table that summarizes the key differences between me, Claude, and ChatGPT:

FeatureBardClaudeChatGPT
AccuracyBestGoodGood
CreativityBestFairFair
AvailabilityBestLimitedLimited
CostFreeFreePaid

hope this helps!

I do like the fact it can generate tables. But I’m struggling to have a useful conversation with it in the way that came naturally with ChatGPT 4 and Claude once I’d spent a few hours experimenting with them.