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You can’t ban the English Defence League because it doesn’t exist but you can force Telegram to shut down organising groups

I spent my train journey home last night thinking about exactly the point which Phil BC makes forcefully here:

And the Daily Mail have reported that Yvette Cooper is considering banning the English Defence League. The first problem is the EDL doesn’t exist except as lazy short hand for far right mobilisation. She would be banning a phantom. The organisation of the Southport racists is decentralised and distributed and doesn’t have a formal structure with an HQ, bank accounts, and assets. There is no CEO or SLT, and no membership list. Just interlinked Facebook and WhatsApp groups, mailing lists, forums, and social media influencer networks. If Cooper wants a crack down she’s going to have to take on the platform giants. And, as we know, Labour would rather shy away from confronting the powerful.

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There is organisation here but there isn’t an organisation. These organisational capacities saturate the platform ecosystem in a way which means that banning them would have to be a sustained undertaking, pursued over time across multiple channels in an iterative way. It would mean taking the platform ecosystem as a serious object of public policy.

Which is exactly what the Online Harms Bill was intended to do, for all its problematic elements. What effect would it have on the moderation of far-right content within groups which are demonstrably be used to (loosely) organise racist violence across the UK if the punishment regime for platform firms, up to 10% of global revenues and threat of jail sentences for executives, were applied here? This isn’t an unsolvable problem, as if these capacities for organising without organisation have magically emerged beyond the usual laws of the social realm.